xyeLz wrote at Dec 15 2016 19:56:13 UTC:

falceso Hi there! Thanks for helping me out. I understand what you mean separating the PufferPanel server as it's a web server and should solely serve that function.

However, I'm a bit confused when you start referring to having only one server access the web. I'm not familiar with ufw and what I need to be blocking. If you could elaborate I would appreciate it!

falceso wrote at Dec 15 2016 19:56:13 UTC:

xyeLz:

falceso Hi there! Thanks for helping me out. I understand what you mean separating the PufferPanel server as it's a web server and should solely serve that function.

However, I'm a bit confused when you start referring to having only one server access the web. I'm not familiar with ufw and what I need to be blocking. If you could elaborate I would appreciate it!

Hello,

To solve your confusion I would like to say that you separate the servers so that if the web panel goes down your server data is still up on another server. ufw is a method to blocking all ports. Just like a firewall. What I recommend blocking is all access to the server besides required, example.. SSH Port , Mysql, ect..

Sinceraly ,

falceso

xyeLz wrote at Dec 15 2016 19:56:13 UTC:

falceso

xyeLz wrote at Dec 15 2016 19:56:13 UTC:

PwrPlayNet No this is very useful. Thank you for responding. So to clarify, you're doing something like this?:

HOST1 > Runs PufferPanel web interface

HOST2 > Runs KVM (or some other hypervisor)

• VM1 > A single node with 16GB of RAM and 4 CPUs running 3 game servers (estimating, obviously)
• VM2 > A single node with 32GB of RAM and 8 CPUs running 6 game servers

I guess my question for you is, what determines the size of your VM? Or, better yet, are you just skipping the VMs altogether and using the ENTIRE physical server to simply run as many game servers as possible?

I guess this is something I've NEVER been able to figure out and I've been dealing with in my head for so long and just don't know what to do. That is, creating VMs and making that individual VM a node to run a couple servers versus just using all of the possible space to create as many game servers as possible. I still don't know what to do, but it sounds like you're just using the whole box as a node and creating as many VMs as you can?

Thanks for your help, by the way. :)

PwrPlayNet wrote at Dec 15 2016 19:56:13 UTC:

Hi,

I do not use any virtualization on my game nodes. Scales simply sits on top of the physical server, no virtualization or anything special. If you have a very specific use for VM's, I'd at least use something the developers support, like Docker for example.

Now my PufferPanel installation is different and quite complex, but my games nodes are simply physical servers with Scales. My PufferPanel frontned is configured like so:

Load Balancer -

-> PP1 (Elastic FS)

-> PP2 (Elastic FS)

-> PP3 (Elastic FS)

Memcached / APC

MYSQL

Caching Server (FastCGI)

A tad bit overpowered, but necessary for my needs. Again, I'd recommend ditching VM's all together unless you have a specific use. I hope I've provided some inspiration :)

xyeLz wrote at Dec 15 2016 19:56:13 UTC:

PwrPlayNet Thank you for providing me some insight into how you're doing it! Do you mind if I ask what your infrastructure is doing? For example, are you serving clients or is this all more personal? Also, how do you manage these hosts? Are they running CentOS? I don't really have any specific "use" for VMs other than the fact that I've never done this before and I thought it would make sense to "guarantee" resources to certain games by separating them in this manner. I guess you can do that through Puffer though, by specifying the CPU/RAM? I'm just new to all of this, haha. Is there ever a need for a game server company to create multiple VMs instead of just multiple game nodes using Scales?

Oh damn, that's an interestingly cool setup you have there. Mind if I ask what you're using for the load balancing? Are you hosting this all with AWS?

I'm not familiar with the other applications you mentioned there. I just know they're required to run Puffer, correct? MySQL I obviously know.

Thanks again for the help!

xyeLz wrote at Dec 15 2016 19:56:13 UTC:

PwrPlayNet Sorry to follow up again on this. I'm trying to organize myself properly here, especially if I plan to order hardware to scale out my infrastructure.

I assume your PP servers are virtual, but your Scales servers are physical? Also, it looks like you've configured separate servers for the individual services required to run PP, correct? Those being APC, SQL, and FastCGI? Are these all virtualized as well?

Thanks again! I was looking at getting a few R230s (low power servers) to host the infrastructure but I obviously didn't want to buy 7 physical hosts when I could do something like this:

R230-1

-> PP1

-> PP2

-> APC

-> MySQL

-> FastCGI

R230-2

-> Scales

R230-3

-> OS-CTL (OpenStack Controller Node)

-> OS-NET (OpenStack Networking Node)

R230-4 (KVM)

-> VM1 (OpenStack Guest)

-> VM2 (OpenStack Guest)

-> VM3 (OpenStack Guest)

I don't expect you to be familiar with OpenStack (boy would that be a bonus!) but you can see what I'm doing - somewhat separating services to different physical or virtual servers, if that makes sense?

I'm still a bit confused on what would be the easiest way to manage the PP hosts though and to keep an eye on performance, etc. Any thoughts there?

falceso wrote at Dec 15 2016 19:56:13 UTC:

xyeLz:

I don't expect you to be familiar with OpenStack (boy would that be a bonus!) but you can see what I'm doing - somewhat separating services to different physical or virtual servers, if that makes sense?

I'm still a bit confused on what would be the easiest way to manage the PP hosts though and to keep an eye on performance, etc. Any thoughts there?

Hello

To answer your first question, you do not really require the usage of physical for PufferPanel as of this moment. (Unless you are using Docker you would need KVM or something close to that)

To answer your second question, PufferPanel to my knowledge does not include stats report. My method I use is nixstat.com <- Not affiliation link but it's an open beta project.

Sincerely

falceso

PwrPlayNet wrote at Dec 15 2016 19:56:13 UTC:

xyeLz Hi, sorry for not responding. I'm a sysadmin and I'm working 65 hours a week during the holidays covering for people haha. I can read my personal email at work during the day, how can I get the email address to you? I couldn't find a PM function on here.

xyeLz wrote at Dec 15 2016 19:56:13 UTC:

PwrPlayNet Hey no worries! Sure. You can email me at [Removed by moderator: please do not post personal information]. Thank you!